Brain Droppings 5: Plothole Edition

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    • #895
      Mr.Green
      Participant

      Couldn’t wait another week, since I already have a few questions to ask. One of which, is cause for really making you think a little.

      xxx

      1) Why are the turians, still liked?

      (I understand they are badass, and awesome looking. But in the PV – they almost murder-fucked Humanity off the damn galaxy)

      I am curious of the fact, why there aren’t more anti-turian sentiment in the SA. Or more vocal actions against them. They burned several worlds, people and nearly were in range of bombarding Earth.

      And yet for some reason, they are more ‘buddies’ than the asari. Albeit, knowing that the asari want to rape our culture is happening, the average citizen or soldier shouldn’t know that.

      They are more liked than the batarians – which begs the question why? It was stated, that at the beginning batarians ‘liked’ us; although soured relationships over the Skyllian issue.

      The batarians, as much as we have heard – have engaged in several conflicts on the border. And have tried to raze or pillage a few planets – Mindoir, Elysium etc.

      But none of the Batarians, have come close to genociding us – devastating humanities fleets, burning our planets, or turning our fleets into scrap metal by the tons.

      So why is anti-turian sentiment down, is my question? Even amongst the military, how actually got their teeth kicked in multiple times? If anything, turian hostility should be rampant in the Systems Alliance. The turians did try to genocide humanity – which IRL doesn’t make you ‘buddies’ at that.

      xxx

      2) Why haven’t the military gone the third quarter good gear?

      I’ve read beforehand, that the Manswells and Nobles control the cash. Giving the military only enough to enable all guys get basic gear – or a third get good.

      So question here? Why hasn’t the military gone the third quarter good gear way?

      At this point, its easy to see – that the navy and marines are getting chewed, more than they should. Gear for all, sound good – but it isn’t worth much if the marines using it get chewed daily.

      As Minsta has described in the Cerberus Files – ‘trained’ marines are at risking of biting the bullet; which is why Penal Legions are needed. More so, with basic gear.

      Doesn’t the military see, that they are losing people? Your training a marine, which costs money – then outfit him in basic(shitty) gear and then post him on some colony – enabling him to get wounded or killed easier, if a pirate attacks.

      More money lost, needed to replace him – more money for medical costs. And lost money, if he needs cybernetics or turns to crime, since he mustarded out.

      Why hasn’t SA High Command – called out the Nobles? Saying give us good gear, for a third quarter of our forces.

      You don’t need fully-armed people everywhere? Send good gear, to the marines and navy who are at the front and borders – lessen the amount of casualties.

      Why would you need an army or large fleet – around Sol. Which does likely nothing? Or on Mars?

      This could put pressure on the Nobles maybe, to give the army more money; if they want a military presence on Sol – if they decide to simply arm the borders and colonies; and leave Sol with but a skeleton crew.

      Before the Reaper attack, High Command should have had, no reason to keep an armed presence on Sol. So question – why are they wasting more money and lives, and getting only basic gear for everybody? And not good gear to the ones who need it?

      xxx

      3) Who is Richard Williams loyal to, anyway?

      The man is a question, inside a barrel of questions.

      He was said to be the smartest, and most cybered to fuck man in the Systems Alliance. They has that air, of ‘not giving a fuck’ – but to himself and only the SA’ goals.

      This is a two-part pondering. Why was Richard wanting to get rid of Florez and TIM? I can understand dumping Florez, the emo ‘kill-turian-kill’ – who might be only a military jock at skills. But why TIM too?

      It was said, that TIM was the one, who kept ol’ Richard alive – when he got wrecked on Shanxi. And afterwards, he was paired with him and Florez to run Cerberus.

      So why, would he dispose of TIM later? No honor among ruthless killers? No, ‘thanks for keeping me alive’? He had know TIM and that, the sucker had kept him alive on Shanxi.

      Secondly – if Richard is the crazy-scientist errant-boy for Maxwell Manswell, then why hasn’t his family’ House been restored?

      Doesn’t he get that itch – of having done so much, for the SA; tech and progress wise that his family ‘could’ be reinstated as nobility? Even after his family, have tried to regain their status?

      Its true that the MSF saved his live and gave him mobility and a purpose – but hasn’t he wished something for his hard work? Or gains for atleast his family?

      Its said, he cared of Ashley – but he doesn’t give ‘two fly-fucks’ how the family is doing economically or politically?

      What is his deal, with his family anyway?

    • #896
      Himura
      Participant

      @Mr.Green: You rise a very good point with the first question. I’ve scratched my head a few times, thinking about that.

    • #897
      ZeroSumGame
      Participant

      I think humanity is getting along with turians better because unlike pretty much every other race, the turians HAVE, for a few decades now, generally tried improve relations. They’re showing that they WANT to get along, despite the FCW. Humanity might be dicks in the PV, but they seem to still respect effort.

      The more cynical answer? Both species see the other as someone getting manipulated by the asari, so they’re think “fuck it, we need to get along and fuck up the blue bitches plans.”

      Honesty may be the best policy, but it's important to remember that by elimination, dishonesty is the second-best policy.

    • #898
      Mr.Green
      Participant

      And how can the average person understand that? They were the ones dropping like flies.

      The only ‘aid’ they got WAS from the other races. And the asari are still giving the free aid.

      Its been said, a ‘few’ are honorable and friendly. But unless, they are very high-ranked and been giving free money daily – I don’t see, how the hatred from the average man is gone…

    • #899
      Himura
      Participant

      http://logicalpremise.org/?topic=open-questions-ask-them-here

      Third to last post in that thread has LP answering a question about the FCW and general outlook of the participants on that conflict and its resolution.

      • #902
        Mr.Green
        Participant

        Hadn’t noticed it. Guess I’ll be asking my questions there now.

        • #905
          Logical Premise
          Keymaster

          The brain droppings are actually a good thing, as I see it, since they cover lots of stuff the story itself doesn’t cover.

          Purge the alien. Kill the heretic. Suffer not the witch to live.

          • #906
            Mr.Green
            Participant

            :3

            Yay.

    • #900
      Logical Premise
      Keymaster

      I fear I gave away waaay too much in that thread, especially about Uressa.

      1) Not sure where you get that there’s not a lot of anti-turian sentiment in the SA. Both Earth First and Terra Firma are frothing at the mouth angry at the little-guy level at the Hierarchy even today, at least the older people.

      But it was thirty years ago, and the younger generation has forgotten or never experienced it. Part of the problem is the stories don’t show much from the view of older people who lived through it. Ahern commented on this in his interview with Wong.

      Wong checked her datapad. “The war was deeply traumatic for many people. A lot of humans still dislike and distrust turians for it. Given that you lived through it, what do we who were born after it need to know?”

      Ahern rubbed his chin as he thought. “Damn good question. I think the biggest take-away is that most of the bitterness and dislike us older citizens have towards the turian is not racism. We saw their armies burn and kill our loved ones, shatter our cities, blow our fleets out of the sky. They thought themselves perfectly justified to commit all out genocide, and from what I heard if not for one asari woman with a spine, the Citadel would have let them do it.”

      He folded his arms. “None of us are going to forget or forgive that. I won’t make very many friends by saying this, but the reaction to anything going wrong with galactic stability appears to be pretty hostile. They offed the rachni, damn near offed the krogan, and didn’t bother to help the quarians. Cut the batarians aloose at the first sign of a problem.” He gave a cold smile. “Kids today who tell us we need to ‘let go of the past’ didn’t live through it. You didn’t grow up in shit, struggling to make ends meet, and just when you get things going good again lose everything to a pack of cowards who’s idea of ‘honor’ is to assault people weaker than them while outnumbering them ten to one.”

      He exhaled. “It’s a touchy issue, ma’am. I think the Alliance has done a good job in closing many of the old scars of the First Contact War, but that doesn’t mean I’m going to forget what caused them in the first place.”

      Turians can’t go anywhere in Alliance space without pretty shitty treatment. Now, outside of the Alliance? A lot of the wildcat colonies had no issues with the turians beating the crap out of the Alliance, and most humans who leave Alliance space are live and let live types.

      But AAT also has a good point. A lot of people ‘in the know’ realize the turians are at least trustworthy, whereas while many civilians idolize asari and hate turians, most of what the asari have done for humanity is less an equal trade and more pats on the head.

      Ultimately? Marines in the SA have trained with turians in various war games for the past twenty years, and are less inclined to blind racism because they can see the turian as a person. Rachel Florez’s ‘turian kill it kill it’ viewpoint is held by a good third of all humans, while another third are distrustful of the turians and the Hierarchy.

      2) Military Gear:

      The main reasons are simple: the same reason our American soldiers are sent out with out fucking interceptor plates in their armor, or decent spall linings in the APCs, or fuck-ass fuel hoses in our attack choppers. Money and politics.

      The High Lords don’t give a flying fuck about wasting money or resources, and they CERTAINLY don’t care about casualties. What they worry about is open revolt, and that the military will turn on them. That is what is the primary reason why they tend to enoble badasses, why they make knighthoods a thing for command officers, why they have Commissariat bombs on every ship and spies in every unit.

      A more subtle reality is that the Alliance hasn’t faced open war with anyone but the batarians for a long time — and against anything but the Fist or the SIU, even the crap gear marines had was sufficient in most cases. Unfortunate attacks like Mindoir and assaults like Torfan were rare, while fucking assbeatings like Dirth — where even with half the marines shot out of the sky they fucked up eight times their number in batarians — were the norm.

      They expend so much money on the Solguard and First fleet because 85% of humanity still lives in Sol or Arcturus. The rest of the Alliance primarily only provides raw materials and food. To a point, the High Lords don’t worry much about their borders because with only a few exceptions there’s no real gain in taking those worlds.

      The military sees the problem quite clearly. But they are all, almost to the last, now members of the nobility or knights themselves. There’s a very sharp and wide divide between most officer types and their people — Shepard didn’t do that because she was never ‘trained right’, but she is very much the exception.

      3) Richard Williams cares about Richard Williams.

      To the extent that he cares about his family, he’s equally convinced that they simply not in line with his thinking. He is also a vast hypocrite in most things. At the same time, he still would not be the heir of the Family if it were restored.

      But ultimately you are asking the wrong question. A restoration of the Williams Line would focus IMMENSE scrutiny on him — something he certainly does not want now that he has been ‘adopted’ by the Manswells. He’s powerseeking above sentimental.

      Purge the alien. Kill the heretic. Suffer not the witch to live.

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