Brain Droppings 14: the Morality

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    • #1255
      Mr.Green
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      Hay, hay. Time of the month again. And after re-reading this fic over so many times, I have had to ask a question from during your beginning times.

      Namely the snippet: …even Humanity’ vilest sort can have flashes of conscience on occasion. That combined with the ending of the Thirty in Unrelenting got me thinking.

      And here are thy questions.

      1) Speculation: Morality of the Old Guard

      What keeps these guys going at that? What do the Thirty, SIX, Palavanus or High Lords keep telling themselves – that let’s them sleep at night, knowing what they are doing.

      What is each level of power – telling themself in the night, NOT to others. But to themselves. What says, even Maxwell Manswell – of what he is allowing to happen. Destroying and using lives like currency.

      It doesn’t sound like your writing MO, to just say ‘lulz they are evil all’. Cause you say, that no white-black scenario here. Should we show any symphathy for the various Old Guard from various races. Or should we laugh with glee, as they are killed. Without having to feel remorse, since they deserve everything they get from the Reapers.

      2) Speculation: Mercy

      Trailing alongside the first question. Does the word mercy, even exist in their minds anymore?

      Do any of the SIX, Thirty or High Lords – even admit to themselves – that what they are doing is wrong? That – they admit, they are essentially destroying the life of another sentient being.

      Or whatever is their equal to mercy. To the Old Guard even have the ability to show it anymore? Or should the Reapers show them no mercy in return?

      3) Speculation: US blowing up Montana with a nuke?

      Alright, this was around the time of at the beginning. Where I read said USA President – used a nuke on his own state.

      How did he get away with that? Sure, it was mentioned, that alot of people were in the pocket of Manswell – him included. But how did the US President – whom likely elected BY the people, managed to explain the reason for nuking a state.

      War with Europe or Middle East? Sure. But nuking your OWN country? No riots, threats to get him off the chair? Coup attempts? Like cheese-wheel.

      How did he manage to rally support to fight against Ardiente – when he was a bastard enough to kill his own people. Where did he get the popular support to even get such an act through like Congress or the Senate?

      4) Speculation: Asari and Beacons

      This was a thought that came to mind. Is it possible, that the asari are the top-race – because they can interact with Beacons better?

      Protheans had that touchy-feely-ready sense at that. While asari have the lesser version via a meld.

      Could that in a way, be a possibilty? Asari able to read the Beacons better – since they were made by the Protheans and so were the asari at that.

      5) Speculation: Batarians and Salarians gone?

      Okay. This is a peek from a previous peek. You mentioned in a question before.

      That in Fear Unrelenting – both the Batarians and Salarians are gone. Really?

      Why did Shepard kill EVERY last Batarian at that? Was she that bloodthirsty then? Or was it a ‘because’ reason. And also seemed a rather, bad ‘reason’ if all Batarians had to die.

      Also Salarians died due to too much DNA-rape. Salarians were deemed to be still around, by the time that Shepard and co had the opportunity to mess around with post-Reaper tech.

      So question being, why did the Galaxy let the Salarian race die – wasn’t there anything they could have done, to save them for DNA-death?

      6) Specualtion: Human + Asari

      So. Humari? How do they look? Just Asari with Human culture? Or something more along the line of fusion-dance style stuff?

    • #1257
      Sikor_Seraph
      Participant

      I’m curious about the extinction of the Salarians and Batarians too. Also there’s not a mention of the volus, or any Tho’ian or Inusannon. What’s up with that? 😉

      Also curious about the humari process. Dare I ask what the contents of the Mars Archives and/or Temple of Athame have to do with this process?

    • #1272
      Logical Premise
      Keymaster

      1) Speculation: Morality of the Old Guard

      What keeps these guys going at that? What do the Thirty, SIX, Palavanus or High Lords keep telling themselves – that let’s them sleep at night, knowing what they are doing.

      What is each level of power – telling themself in the night, NOT to others. But to themselves. What says, even Maxwell Manswell – of what he is allowing to happen. Destroying and using lives like currency.

      It doesn’t sound like your writing MO, to just say ‘lulz they are evil all’. Cause you say, that no white-black scenario here. Should we show any sympathy for the various Old Guard from various races. Or should we laugh with glee, as they are killed. Without having to feel remorse, since they deserve everything they get from the Reapers.

      They shouldn’t be conflated as having the same rationales, but applying human morals to aliens is kinda pointless.

      The SIX are what they are. To salarians, after having seen the Collapse, survival is the most important thing. The SIX believe that they are doing what needs to be done for the survival of the salarian people, and honestly don’t care if that kills off everyone else. They don’t see the value in life.

      That’s not to say they want to kill everyone, only that very few salarians identify more with the Other than with themselves.

      The Thirty are covering up the crime that lead them to be in charge. They are acting mostly out of selfishness and greed, to be honest. They see themselves as superior and honestly don’t understand why clearly inferior and short lived races SHOULD be considered their equals. Doing so out of some ideal about equal rights is literally insanity to them. If you aren’t as smart or strong or long lived as asari, why should you get a voice?

      The Palavanus, on the other hand, aren’t fully in control of how they are acting due to the influence of the Arca Device. Many of them DON’T like where things are going, but they don’t see alternatives.

      The High Lords are for the most part assholes. This is NOT true of the Second and Third Rank houses, most of which are heroic and HONESTLY believe in the framework of lies Victor set out.

      The High Lord’s families are also not ALL assholes. The High Lord’s don’t really have an excuse, but they tend to see the situation as ‘us against them’ and see anything as game.

      Ultimately, all the groups in power see the lives of individuals as pointless because they cannot afford to think that way. If they make a serious mistake, the fallout won’t just be a few dead people, but potentially the collapse of their respective races. Tens of billions of people. No leader on Earth has EVER had to make choices that determined if humanity itself would live or die… so we can’t really compare to national leaders.

      2) Speculation: Mercy

      Trailing alongside the first question. Does the word mercy, even exist in their minds anymore?

      Do any of the SIX, Thirty or High Lords – even admit to themselves – that what they are doing is wrong? That – they admit, they are essentially destroying the life of another sentient being.

      Or whatever is their equal to mercy. To the Old Guard even have the ability to show it anymore? Or should the Reapers show them no mercy in return?

      Mercy is a curious concept. It basically is forgiveness and forebearance towards one who has offended in some way.

      Salarians, biologically and mentally, CANNOT understand mercy. Even cool good guys like Mordin Solus tend to see being merciful as being weak or possibly insane. Turians see mercy as dishonorable.

      Asari can (and have) been merciful. But their mercy is distinctly short in scope, and is never applied when there is even the slightest doubt that something dangerous could become a problem.

      To the ruling groups, concepts like mercy are all well and good for the average person. They are problematic when being ‘nice’ has backfired. They tried, as best they could, to be nice to the krogan, and look where THAT got them.

      3) Speculation: US blowing up Montana with a nuke?

      Alright, this was around the time of at the beginning. Where I read said USA President – used a nuke on his own state.

      How did he get away with that? Sure, it was mentioned, that alot of people were in the pocket of Manswell – him included. But how did the US President – whom likely elected BY the people, managed to explain the reason for nuking a state.

      War with Europe or Middle East? Sure. But nuking your OWN country? No riots, threats to get him off the chair? Coup attempts? Like cheese-wheel.

      How did he manage to rally support to fight against Ardiente – when he was a bastard enough to kill his own people. Where did he get the popular support to even get such an act through like Congress or the Senate?

      The President at the time was dealing with an America that was literally on the edge of a civil war with itself. And ultimately, he didn’t get away with it — there were riots EVERYWHERE, and he got his fool ass assassinated. The USA was tied up for five years with internal revolts, militia fighting and the like — Logain and his boys in EAGL were the decedents of the Freedom Fighters at this time.

      The nuke of Butte happened in 2037 — it wasn’t until 2060 that Ardiente lost his mind. America was a fractured and fucked up society in the 2030’s and 2040’s, and several Amendments to the Constitution were added to prevent things like Butte from ever happening again.

      4) Speculation: Asari and Beacons

      This was a thought that came to mind. Is it possible, that the asari are the top-race – because they can interact with Beacons better?

      Protheans had that touchy-feely-ready sense at that. While asari have the lesser version via a meld.

      Could that in a way, be a possibilty? Asari able to read the Beacons better – since they were made by the Protheans and so were the asari at that.

      The Asari were designed to be the middle-managers and slave controllers of a resurgent Prothean Empire, so yes.

      5) Speculation: Batarians and Salarians gone?

      Okay. This is a peek from a previous peek. You mentioned in a question before.

      That in Fear Unrelenting – both the Batarians and Salarians are gone. Really?

      Why did Shepard kill EVERY last Batarian at that? Was she that bloodthirsty then? Or was it a ‘because’ reason. And also seemed a rather, bad ‘reason’ if all Batarians had to die.

      Also Salarians died due to too much DNA-rape. Salarians were deemed to be still around, by the time that Shepard and co had the opportunity to mess around with post-Reaper tech.

      So question being, why did the Galaxy let the Salarian race die – wasn’t there anything they could have done, to save them for DNA-death?

      Not sure why everyone assumes species that act like goddamned assholes would survive thousands of years in a culture influenced by Shepard…

      However, the question is pretty simple. The batarians were never a stable culture, especially after thousands of years of being manipulated by the Black Leviathans. Most of their space was ruined by the Reaper invasion and 80% of the species was killed in the Reaper War. The survivors simply scattered and never formed another real government after the New Batarian Alliance collapsed due to economic issues.

      The salarians were much the same. A few survived in scattered enclaves. But they weren’t going to be of any importance way down the line.

      6) Specualtion: Human + Asari

      So. Humari? How do they look? Just Asari with Human culture? Or something more along the line of fusion-dance style stuff?

      Fusion. Genetic fusion.

      Purge the alien. Kill the heretic. Suffer not the witch to live.

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